The Spin Zone

Wait, so everyone wins? Except, the CFC loses because we're not having fun by winning? We hurt ourselves by flying in big, successful fleets? And NC. are winning by abandoning sov and playing other games altogether?

If this thing spins me any harder, my retinas might detach.

Quoting for the future:

TLDR: Fuck the renters, fuck n3, fuck the sov. They can have their "victory", we'll be having fun somewhere else with 3 years of renter income and a tight community that enjoys playing with each other, with our only narrative being blowing spaceships up and dunking people.

So wall of text here, just because I feel like giving our POV

Yeah, I guess it depends on your definition of "effective" and "victory". The key difference between a group like NC. or Black Legion and a group like the CFC is that NC. and Black Legion are in it for getting fun brawls/good fights, where as the CFC are in it for making their opponent as miserable as possible. We (NC.) don't mind losing fights; honestly, we lose the isk war most of the time, because we are dumb and like to fly stupid bling fit stuff[1] in fleets of T1 battleships that cost literally 1/10th as much, and 4-5 people will fly things like this. Additionally, we use expensive doctrines that are often a little too blinged for no reason (we use 750m isk lokis, when you could make something 98% as effective for ~550, for example), almost always fight outnumbered (40 vs. 100, 100 vs. 300+ are very common), and try to take any fight we have a chance of winning (vs. most groups in eve that will not take any fight that they have a chance in losing). Yes, this means we'll stay docked if we are outnumbered 5+ to 1; you can't win if your oppenent has more T3s than you have fleet numbers two times over, and another 150 man harpy fleet, and a 150 man celestis fleet, and 80 bombers.

This contrasts the CFC, which, as seen in posts such as these[2] , basically believes that you either completely dominate your opponent, or you blueball them. This is designed to ruin their opponents fun, to the point where frankly (personal opinion) they are solely responsible for the MASSIVE decline in subscription numbers/concurrent players (over 30-40%) in the last two years. Remember, these last 2 years also had the creation of BRAVE newbies, so clearly huge amounts of people are quitting. But the point stands that it's such a shitfest to fight the CFC, it's not really worth it; in fact, the whole "winning eve is not playing" was basically created by people who had to deal with their tactics.

This means that no matter what, it is impossible to beat the CFC, because they specifically choose doctrines (dominix, celestis) that are made to either make you unable to play, or to intentionally cause tidi, and make sure to form so many people that there is 10% tidi for every fight.

So yes, they "win", in the sense that poor Darkeshi is getting dunked on (honestly, they kind of deserve it for siding with the CFC last time anyways), and that N3 as a coalition is basically disbanding. I guess what people who just read reddit all day and have never fought the CFC don't understand is that it is vastly more fun to do literally anything else than log in and sit in 10% tidi for 3-6 hours while the CFC tries their hardest to crash a node.

NC. has been planning on dropping sov and dropping the coalition ever sense fozziesov was announced (allegedly since Phoebe was announced), and the heads of the CFC knew this. Frankly, they could have sent the European Goonion down this week, instead of deploying a month or so ago with literally everyone, and probably done exactly what they are doing right now, since this week has been known as "deblue day". The European Goonion is fully capable of taking out Darkeshi by themselves, and honestly there would be some pretty good brawls, with the CFC eventually winning and the same result happening.

But this didn't happen. And do you know why? The European Goonion alone would have given good fights, and the CFC is against good fights. The European Goonion alone would have probably lost a few battles (I would expect them to win the war), and the CFC cannot lose due to :narrative:. And most importantly, the European Goonion wouldn't tidi every system, making it miserable for anyone but the mouth breathing autists (maybe a bit too harsh, but IMO you have to have some mental disorder to be willing to do 6h 10% tidi ops every day for weeks straight and still feel good about it) in the CFC who are literally willing to spend 6 hours for a single system, in 10% tidi, as long as it ruins their enemies experience too.

So, the takeaway of all of this, and you'll hear this from every single member of NC., is that both sides win here. We are quite happy and excited to be trying out something different than a sov grind, and finally free from the shackles of renters and coalitions. Obviously the CFC is going to spin this as some great victory, but at the end of the day they are the one who are (for the third time vs. N3) giving up multiple regions and getting the joys of 6 hour structure grinds, day in and day out, while we do solo/small gang, play with spectre fleet, play GTA5/DOTA/Sins/leaguescum, or even have real life, because we don't have daily CTAs for MAX DUDES that tidi their own fleet because... reasons? I don't really get it, we ground Period Basis in 3 hours with 80 supers, apparently they feel the need to Tidi their own members? Oh well.